JIHADI’S THREATEN D.C. . . . IMPLICATIONS

March 31, 2009 by daaixin

IN RESPONSE TO:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511740,00.html

Ladies and gentlemen; boys and girls; dogs and cats . . .

I’ve been convinced this was on the agenda for more than 7 years.

Given all the ‘noises’ in the hinterlands and around the world . . . all the puzzle pieces coming into play in the last 6-12 months . . . They COULD EASILY end up with Shrillery in charge. Her satanic meanness would be even uglier than the horrors we have now. I believe they have promised her the position and that the Jihadi’s will help make it happen.

IT WOULD SEEM that they may be planning to ‘light that fuse’ within the next 18 months and possibly within the next 6 months.

The sand in the hour glass is getting mighty sparse on top.

For those who haven’t seen it . . . the earlier posts in this thread are also smack dab in the center of what I’ve “FELT” in my “bones” for a long time.

I have no inside info other than what Holy Spirit may be triggering within me.

I just know that my ‘reading’ of all the masses of clues, info, (e.g. on FR, ATS, even the MSM) and prayerful impressions has never been more heightened.

THEREFORE WHAT?

SEEK GOD FIRST & FOREMOST AND PERSISTENTLY.

LEARN TO HEAR HIS VOICE AND QUICKLY OBEY.

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THEREFORE WHAT might I suggest beyond the above?

1. Hard to say for each individual. However, I’ve upped my risk level in terms of whom I’m warning. That is, I’m warning folks who I felt earlier that their willful blindness was too significant and the risks too bothersome to try and wake them up at all.

2. Now, I’m prayerfully considering who amongst that ‘group’ might have some chance of seeing the truth and I’m trying to give them convincing info/docs to help wake them up. I don’t have any delusions that most will wake up. Even if only one wakes up . . . in terms of eternal life, it’s worth the risk, to me. Each of us has to prayerfully weigh those risks, imho.

3. I’ve also been recently connected with information from some folks whom I never expected were already quite dramatically awake. Evidently we need to be more prayerfully discerning about some of those already in our network. SOME OF THEM are NOT as wise as they need to be, BTW. Some need to increase their caution.

4. I realize I’m a neon light of a sitting duck in a list of ways. Goes with the territory of being a watchman and the . . . ‘character’ God made me for the roles He made me to play. My ‘lot’ is cast with Him and WHATEVER He has purposed to do with me. I cannot shrink back from that destiny. Thankfully, untimely consequences would only intensify the effectiveness of my message. BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD. Please avoid commenting on some of these issues. Just prayerfully seek God on who in your network needs awakened and might REALISTICALLY stand a chance of BEING awakened.

5. I’m not whitewashing what being awakened means. AS some are aware, our Music minister challenged the church Sunday morning TO DIE. TO DIE TO EVERYTHING BUT GOD ALONE. THOSE WHO TRY TO SAVE THEIR LIVES SHALL LOSE THEIR LIVES. THOSE WHO LOSE THEIR LIVES FOR AND IN CHRIST SHALL SAVE THEIR ETERNAL LIVES. It’s really that simple.

6. Here’s good advice via Marsha Burns: Is. 52.12 From Joya | 03/31/2009 3:29:01 AM PDT read

SMALL STRAWS IN A SOFT WIND by Marsha Burns — March 30, 2009:

I heard the Lord say: I’ve got your back; just keeping moving forward. Be effective in your warfare by being aware when you are under attack, by knowing the nature of your enemy, and by exercising your authority to stop him. And, I was reminded of what Ulysses S. Grant said, “The art of war is simple enough. Find out where you enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving.”

Isaiah 52:12 For you shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight; for the LORD will go before you, and the God of Israel will be your rear guard.

7. EFFECTIVE SPIRITUAL WARFARE REQUIRES that the soldier be IN RIGHT STANDING WITH GOD: CONFESSED UP, REPENTED UP, PRAYED UP; FORGIVEN UP (FORGIVING ALL–REGARDLESS–AVOIDING UNFITTING CARNAL FLESHY JUDGMENT OF ALL–REGARDLESS), READY TO GO UP . . . counting their life as nothing except as offered up to Christ.

8. It MAY–ONLY MIGHT–BE the case that there will be 3-18 months of relatively positive rebound economically. IF SO, it will be short-lived and the thunderous reversal will sweep into place without warning and without recourse until after Christ returns to conquer satan literally at the literal Armageddon.

9. ANY seeming delay in utter chaos, utter devastation is EXTREMELY DECEPTIVE. I know of relatively few folks–even amongst those awake–who seem to have a very accurate understanding OF THE DEGREE OF DEVASTATION LOOMING. God was NOT JOKING in Scripture when HE WARNED that the world would suffer WORSE THAN IT EVER HAD AND WORSE THAN IT EVER WOULD AGAIN. Consider all the worst horrors of history–PILED IN TOGETHER. Multiply that by some orders of magnitude. It will probably be WORSE than even that.

10. PRAY! PRAY! PRAY! PREPARE! PREPARE! PREPARE! MOSTLY PREPARE SPIRITUALLY AND RELATIONALLY–but in other practical ways as well. JUST BE READY TO WALK OFF TOTALLY AND LEAVE ALL YOU HAVE PREPARED AND CHERISHED TOTALLY BEHIND. REMEMBER LOT’S WIFE. GOD ALONE IS WORTHY. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. NOTHING! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!

11. AVOID FOLLOWING ANYONE WHO DOES NOT CONFESS THAT JESUS CAME IN THE FLESH; DIED FOR OUR SINS, ROSE AGAIN TO BRING US ETERNAL LIFE IN HIS BLOOD AND NAME . . . (EXCEPT, !!!!POSSIBLY!!!!, AT 100% CERTAIN GOD’S SPECIFIC EXCEPTIONAL TEMPORARY INSTRUCTIONS).

12. GOD ALONE IS OUR ALL SUFFICIENCY.
GOD ALONE IS OUR HIGH TOWER.
GOD ALONE IS OUR REAR GUARD.
GOD ALONE IS OUR PROVISION.
GOD ALONE IS OUR SALVATION.
GOD ALONE IS OUR TRUE KNOWLEDGE.
GOD ALONE IS OUR TRUE WISDOM.
GOD ALONE IS OUR TRUE UNDERSTANDING.
GOD ALONE IS OUR PEACE.
GOD ALONE IS OUR JOY.
GOD ALONE IS OUR HOPE.
GOD ALONE MUST BECOME OUR DELIGHT.

EYE HAS NOT SEEN:

1 Corinthians 2:8-10 (King James Version)

8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

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THIS WILL BE THE AUTHENTIC CHURCH’S FINEST HOUR. GOD WILL HAVE A PEOPLE WITHOUT SPOT OR WRINKLE PURIFIED, REFINED AND READIED !!!!BY HIM!!!!

Scripture notes that cowards have a place in hell with homosexuals and murderers.

None of us are up to anything APART FROM GOD ALONE IN US.

It has always been arrogant delusion–certainly spiritually–but otherwise in a sense as well–it has always been arrogant delusion that we could even . . . walk two steps aright . . . apart from God.

In this era–IT WILL BE PROFOUNDLY THE CASE. IT WILL BE DEADLY TO ATTEMPT ANYTHING APART FROM GOD.

LIVE EACH DAY . . . MOMENT BY MOMENT AS THOUGH IT WERE TO BE YOUR LAST. That’s never been more fitting than now. Forgive even your enemies. Eternity is a long time. Avoid cohabiting in hell with your enemies because of unforgiveness.

Be wisely bold IN THE LORD AS HE DIRECTS. ONLY WHAT’S DONE FOR CHRIST WILL LAST.

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD. –Q . . . wailing and screaming in technicolor in the wilderness of ignorance, rebellion and carnal arrogance.

A NUMBER OF THOUGHTS RE THE LOOMING FUTURE IN THESE END TIMES

March 25, 2009 by daaixin

A number of thoughts . . . briefly . . .

1. I’m convinced that God intends for America to endure in some form past looming literal Armageddon. Therefore, it will.

2. God is also not about to leave America any less disciplined than He was forced to discipline Israel a number of times in the Old Testament. We have crossed far too far over too many outrageously sinful lines . . . gross rampant infanticide being but one of the more serious ones.

3. The globalist oligarchy is determined to do what they can to utterly destroy America in order to make setting up the global government easier. They will “achieve” a LOT toward that goal by many horrible, very deadly and chaotic means.

4. Even most Pentecostal conservative alert END TIMES AWARE Christians are woefully unprepared spiritually and in terms of daily life prep. Most pastors have been irresponsible and negligent, imho.

5. Shoot, even tons of FREEPERS think it’s virtually unpatriotic to just open one’s eyes and register what’s going on in our faces these days. They have hardly BEGUN to wrap their noggins around the REAL realities looming on the near horizon.

6. God alone is our refuge. Folks need to be praying and possibly fasting as they are led and able . . . and stockpiling as they are led and able. Pretending that in all cases God is going to send angelic hosts to provide steak and what not is just not my sense of what’s ahead.

7. Those who are most confessed up, repented up, prayed up, forgiven up, ready to go up . . . walking closest to God will be treated like the 5 wise virgins in a variety of ways. Others won’t. Some will make Heaven by a very thin margin.

8. Memorizing Scripture is a wise exercise while we can.

9. Learning to forgive is essential.

10. Learning patience is essential.

11. Learning humility is essential.

12. Learning to let go of anger is essential.

13. Learning that we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers in high places is essential.

14. Learning to hear God’s voice and obey His voice—and no other—will be increasingly essential.

15. Being prepared to walk utterly away AND NOT LOOK BACK at EVERYTHING in one’s life . . . will be increasingly essential.

16. Knowing how to count the cost of following anything and anyone but JESUS, HIS SPIRIT, HIS FATHER . . . IS ESSENTIAL.

17. Denominationally addicted churchianity will be a curse instead of a help. Won’t matter the organization or structure; traditions nor lineage of any kind. God will turn a deaf ear to the “Yeah, but’s . . . “

18. Petty and even some significant denominational distinctives will fall by the wayside as far from important. Folks clinging to them will find themselves left by God of The Angel Armies . . . in the frightful dust—increasingly OUTSIDE THE CAMP OF THE RIGHTEOUS.

19. Those who learn to Trust God utterly and put HIM UTTERLY FIRST SHALL DO GREAT EXPLOITS by His Spirit, His Power, His will assisted by His angel armies..

20. Luke warm pseudo-’Christians’ will be worse off than pagans in terms of traumas and disciplines.

21. Not knowing 9-16 above will be extremely costly—for many, probably even eternally costly.

22. Putting off practicing spiritual heart habits and attitudes outlined above will be deadly. One doesn’t wake up on a Monday morning and learn such things in half an hour. It’s almost very very very late to begin PRACTICING such NOW.

23. God does love us more than we can imagine—and certainly more than those of us with ATTACHMENT DISORDER can imagine. He is NOT about to forsake those who have forsaken all for Him.

24. We are called to love even our enemies. That’s not a joke. That’s not a lofty . . . maybe-on-my-death-bed-a-little sort of plan. He calls us to now. He will expect it in the future when enemies will be off the wall horrific. That may still entail dealing with them with maximum force.

25. Yet, we do well to remember that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal . . . to the pulling down of strongholds . . . through prayer, fasting etc. . . . That may not preclude defending one’s home and family with maximum force. One must be led of Holy Spirit in all matters and certainly in that one.

26. The same God who provided manna, quail and water out of a rock in the wilderness . . . is OUR GOD IF WE HAVE ACCEPTED CHRIST AS SAVIOR AND BEGUN TO TREAT GOD AS GOD accordingly.

27. Though an angel from heaven, an “ET” or any other creature preach any other gospel or deny that Christ came in the flesh—consider all such accursed and to be avoided wholesale.

28. Avoid rides with such creatures. Avoid compliance with such creatures.

29. The ruling powers that be in human realms are increasingly evil to the core. Be wise. Fear not. Trust God.

30. CHRIST’S PEACE THAT PASSES UNDERSTANDING; HIS JOY UNSPEAKABLE; HIS RESILIENCE; HIS CONFIDENT TRUST IN THE FATHER WILL BE INCREASINGLY OURS WHEN WE ASK FOR IT AND STEP OUT IN THE BEST FAITH WE CAN, BY HIS GRACE, MUSTER TOWARD SUCH.

NOTES ON TIMOTHY GOOD’S AZTEC 2008 SYMPOSIUM PRESENTATION

April 4, 2008 by daaixin

A note regarding my notes: I tend to take rather accurate notes. I paraphrase a fair amount for brevity but often have many, if not most key phrases, verbatim. However, I don’t distinguish with punctuation which phrases are verbatim and which are paraphrased. That would entail more bother than I care to engage in at such conferences.

[My own comments will be in brackets, like this]

TIMOTHY GOOD:

[Timothy Good was, as ever, the perfect British gentleman in every respect--though he was suffering from a cold or some such. He soldiered on valliantly, good naturedly, charitably. And, of course, sold no small number of books! LOL]

1933 ITALY UFO investigation . . .

FOOFIGHTERS 500 MPH 1942 and consisted [on at least some occasions] of a large SOLID object.

Radar operator reporte a disc on edge 1944 . . . maybe 8-12 times the size of a Lancaster bomber.

The entire crew of the Lancaster bomber were OVERTAKEN by a feeling of peace when the craft was close to them.

Discs brought down V2 rockets.

Andy Kisner started firing [his guns on his plane] at the UFO’s with proximity fused ordinances–including, the Roswell craft. [not that Andy fired at the Roswell craft--but maybe he did. That wasn't clear. But Andy at least was early on in such actions and there are evidently convincing reports--if I understood correctly--that someone fired at the Roswell craft with proximity fuses.]

Aliens began to retaliate including airlines in [at least] 180 cases.

[he showed a copy of a San Francisco newspaper article about:]

“Military planes hunting Sky Disks”

Plane that took off to protect debris of crashed discs at Roswell–was forcefully flung to the ground shortly after take-off.

A woman [pic and name provided in presentation] searched all over Roswell at the time–for ice for a big extended family picnic. She could find none. Everywhere she went, they told her the Air Force had taken it all. [Lends support to the reports of the alien bodies being put on ice.]

Werner von Braun asserted that the aliens had frail skin–almost like rattlesnake skin. That the craft was spare of equipment–that seemingly the aliens and the craft were one united functioning unit.

Retiring JPL Director at retirement party took a few friends to a sealed vault. Inside were materials they’d analyzed [from the Roswell craft--I think]–including some skeletal bones. [drawing included in presentation and in his latest book]

1977 Biophysicist–they had problems breathing our atmosphere–nitrogen is no good for them.

1944 . . . [items, behaviors?] whih cannot be attributed to any earth based civilization.

Gen Vandenberg ordered [someone] to destroy all copies of the AIR INTEL reports [having anything to do with UFO's]

Debunkers worked to assault particularly the highly qualified observers [quite beyond others].

100′ disc humming & crckling, hissing sounds and some flickering fingers of blue light . . .

Pilot was accused of mistaking a standard aircraft for a UFO [when such an accusation was ludicrous].

The head of the Air Force Intel Cabel blew his top at all the BS. He said “I’ve been lied to and lied to and lied to and lied to and lied to and lied to and I want the answers to the saucers . . . ” [he evidently didn't get answers.]

USOs==submerged craft . . . Navy has had very significant info for longer than the Air Force.

[Article in newspaper--forget which one] “Saucer Outran Jet, Pilot reveals” 1952

Stats from US Defense . . . 1952-1956 . . . accidents–several thousands 9./5% or 1773 acidents in this period were due to ‘unknowns’ [i.e. UFO's]

Pilot: “I got to 350 feet from the UFO when my cockpit was bathed in a blue light. I could [suddenly] see through my glove & flesh to the bones of my hand.”

An extraordinary # of disappearances under 1,000 feet. Had to eject.

[In this particular case] the pilot ejected because the radar observer was having trouble doing so. The plane and radar observer were NEVER FOUND [AT ALL, NOT A SHRED.] The UFO was over an airbase.

Sir Peter Bosley 1954 2 hour meeting with an alien arranged by a general. Alien could read his mind and knew all Britain’s nuclear secrets.

Fred Durant . . . CIA office of Intel . . . UFO’s . . . CIA had ordered Air Force to debunk UFO . . . Later, all he would say . . . sent Timothy an email “NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER GIVE UP.”

B36H bomber–for 5-8 min approached by the 100′ disc . . .35mm films . . . along the rim, multicolored lights.

Aircraft carrier with 3,000 witnesses on top of 5 ships . . . cigar shaped craft . . . 4,000 feet long and over 300 feet in diameter . . . radar screen whited out . . .

Gordon Cooper [astronaut] intercepted sevral UFO’s in Europe & also confirmed that a craft landed at Edwards.

[someone?who?] approached within 50′ of the 50′ diameter craft.

JFK via White House staff 1961-1962 requested viewing alien bodies . . . [showed pic of Airforce 1 plane that took him to do so]

Godfry. . . . to Tindel AFB Fla where he viewed the bodies . . .

Showed a pic with DC4 airliner, it’s shadow on the ground with a craft and the craft’s shadow on the ground. [I think in South America somewhere.]

May 1998 National Defense Airborne Recon off [Israel?] General Israel & 15 people . . . asked to address the group said photos looked real to him.

1967 b52 right seated pilot . . . Minot ND, large object landed on thebase near bunkers where [nuclear?] weapons kept.

Buz Aldrin said UFO’s paced Apollo 11. . . . he looked at craft through cabin telescope–was a [typical] bell shaped craft.

Carrier JFK huge object caused massive comm failures . . . per Jim Kompf

Manzano Mountains [near Albuquerque] # of alien bases around the world–at least one such near where nukes are stored in Manzano Mountains . . . extraordinary UFO events east side of Manzano

RC Hecker 22:10 electronic scanners registered burst of energy . . . Chilile metalic 60′ diameter quietly moved to Kirtland AFB 1977 French & British nuke bombers–encountered giant objects 1977

Andropov ordered 4 milion soldiers to do a UFO study

China–many events–PhD’s only allowed to join the organization–40 scientific papers–huge object over AFB 1978

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Bob Wood attended Top Secret UFO Working Group 1985 . . . Joint Conference Room “THE TANK” [White House or Pentegon]

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Hal Putoff TOP SECRET UMBRA Clearance . . . Craft landed atUSSR base & destroyed Radar with a beam of light which wet through a soldier without detroying him.

A kilometer long abject silence–a “zone of silence” accompanied it.

Counselor to Senate Appropriateions Committee . . . Carl Flog sp? . . . [saw info evidence]

Brazilian case . . . several critters . . . Dr Roger Lear interviewed surgeon who autopsied them.

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Sunday Times article: British Journalist saw a chevron object–tried to call flight attendant but was SUDDENLY & VIOLENTLY flung to the ground [just before bordering a plane] in view of everyone else.

1998 China pilot had object in sights. Was refused permission to fire.

2004 in a landing pattern at Dublin Airport–large triangle object–164 degree centegrade wing damaged on plane by the UFO. Plane made an emergency landing.  2 hours later, another similar incident [I think at the same airport].

2005 Paul Hellyer . . . [don't recall point]

Maybe said:

“I don’t know” to Timothy’s query. There has been a liason program since 1940’s with aliens.

Definitely was a meeting at NUROC.

Art Campbell [knows there was or saw] a meeting at Holloman AFB with Ike in 1955.

END OF MY TIMOTHY GOOD NOTES.

NOTES FRM STANTON FRIEDMAN’S PRESENTATION AT AZTEC UFO SYMPOSIUM 2008

April 3, 2008 by daaixin


A note regarding my notes: I tend to take rather accurate notes. I paraphrase a fair amount for brevity but often have many, if not most key phrases, verbatim. However, I don’t distinguish with punctuation which phrases are verbatim and which are paraphrased. That would entail more bother than I care to engage in at such conferences.

[My own comments will be in brackets, like this]

STANTON FRIEDMAN:

 The old “You can’t get there from here” nonsense.

 . . .

Betty saw the star map.

Her psychiatrist gave her the post hypnotic suggestion to draw the star map “ONLY IF you can draw it accurately.”

. . .

Marjorie Fish made 26 different 3D models of the star chart in an effort to try and find out where the stars were. She is a Mensa school teacher.

 Turns out, it’s in the galactic neighborhood.

This [slide] is a 3 X 3 X 3 foot model . . . ?Wilhelm Lisa? [don't recall who that is--maybe the astronomer helping the teacher. I forget]

Turns out:

ALL THE PATTERN STARS [drawn by Betty] ARE LIFE TYPE STARS [construed to be well able to support life on their related planets stably over considerable time]

ALL THE RIGHT KIND OF STARS ARE IN THE MODEL IN THIS AREA.

ALL THE SUN LIKE STARS ARE IN A PLANE in that area.

. . . such conditions . . . 1 in 10,000 chance to 1 in 1 million chance to occur like that.

Zeta Reticuli . . . Closest to each other sun like stars in our neighborhood.

39.2 light years from us; 1/8th light year from each other. 1 billion years older than our sun.

roughly 670 million mph = speed of light.

 One debunker asserted that it would take a million million tons of propellent [to do the trick in a certain scenario.]

 Turns out he was of by a factor of 300 million. Would take 3,000 tons.

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 Nuclear energy certainly provides more energy per pound.

 [he goes into some of the project he worked on in the past designing nuclear aircraft engines etc.]

There were 1,100 engineers & scientists involved

6′ diameter reactor in one case. 3 foot diameter reactor in another case–1,100 megawatts producing 1/2 the power of Grand Coolee Dam.

 By 1938, we’d figured out that the sun was a fusion reactor. By 1952 we’d put the knowledge to use. 10 million times the energy per particle compared to chemical.

We [not sure who the we is besides US scientists--may have included Stanton] built an electromagnetic submarine.

[talks about charged plasma in aircraft:]

Charged plasa gets aroun sonic boom . . .

[Rails at SETI often . . . ridicules it up one side and down the other]

Cites German vs British scientists in WWII. German scientists concluded that the towers were for radar. Sent a Zeplin up and down the coast to get the frequencies. Listened, came back–zero info. Turns out they were off on their tuning by 10 points on frequency. [Stanton is saying that SETI could be off by any number of point in any number of respects because we are ignorant of what an advanced civilization well beyond us might communicate via]

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Philip Klaus [famous debunker] insisted the documents weren’t real over the pica vs elite type issue. He said he’d pay me $100 for every authentic document I could find with [whichever--pica or elite that Klaus said was not used back then--Klaus had never physically been to the archives] I found 14 such documents and sent him copies. He sent me a check for $1,000 but never noted publically that he’d had to pay up. To bad he set a limit, I’d have been rich!

END OF my Stanton Friedman notes.

During some other speakers’ presentations, I sat near Stanton on occasion. I’d sometimes give him questions in writing. Several questions having to do with ET/UFO future scenarios and probabilities, he would reply with “I don’t know.” Even when I tried to get him to wildly speculate and guess–same answer.

I did the same sitting near Timothy Good. I got the same answer.

It also sounded to me this time more than before, that Stanton is decidedly on the side of the perspective that global government is good and that the arrival of ET’s publically will cause mankind to give up Nationalistic frictions and wars and accept a global government.  . . . that the ET’s are likely here to get us to do that in order to allow us to ‘join the galactic Federation.’

It was sad to me to see that he seems to be clearly leaning in that direction.

I’m not so clear that Timothy Good is . . . but it would be congruent with his presentation of himself and the info. He didn’t say anything I heard contrary to that. However, Timothy Good does speak of ET’s causing dastardly negative feelings in humans and doing dastardly deeds with humans.

I hope to get additional note sections up within an hour or 3.

RAPTUREs–PRE AND MID-TRIB FINALLY WHAT I’VE FELT IS ARTICULATED

March 22, 2008 by daaixin

DEAR END TIMES PROPHECY PING LIST AND SELECTED OTHER PROTTYS I have long–all my life–felt dissatisfied with ALL the prophecy stuff related to BIBLICAL explanations regarding THE RAPTURE etc.

I have felt things that I have not been able to articulate for decades. Particularly the last 20 years.

Finally, I have come across some docs by Tom Stewart that I’m pasting in below which resonate enormously in my spirit and which articulate so many things I’ve felt so long but not been able to put into words.

I realize that a host of your biases are not going to be happy with at least parts of the below. BUT I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE AND EXHORT YOU TO PRAYERFULLY CONSIDER the following with an open Holy Spirit guided mind.

A special note to the Calvinists, Preterists, amils . . .

It has increasingly felt in my bones, spirit in recent weeks that we are increasingly rapidly approaching the point of . . . no doubt . . . but also of little or no return to former constructions on reality.

I strongly caution those of you who may be tempted to be derisively dismissive out of hand because of your biases.

You’d best guard your attitudes particularly on such scores. There are those of you who’s positions are sooooo fiercely held with such a solid-concrete-iron-death-grip . . . that God Himself would have to implement a major miracle to get you to see the truth. That’s a very, very, very dangerous position to maintain, atttude to maintain. Frankly, it’s as idolatrous as anything the RC’s may be guilty of.

Some folks write/talk as though they haven’t been through a major soul searching, reevaluation of much of anything for the last 20-50 years or so. That’s hazardous.

Things ARE going to change and relatively soon whether in months or few years . . . such that all life will be in some level of fruit-basket upset and only those walking intimately with God will have any peace or soulution for major problems at all. Tired old RELIGIOUS rationalizations, doctrines of men constructions on reality will be burned up as less than chaff in many fiery furnaces of affliction etc. I have 0% doubt of the above. 0.000000000% doubt.

I realize I risk your disapproval and dismissiveness when I send you things that don’t already fit your current constructions on reality.

However, it is my view that none of us has it all figured out and none of our cnstructions on reality are 100% flawless. It just might be possible that you could learn something from the following.

Please understand that I share such in a Biblical “fear and trembling” out of Love and caring . . . not in the least bit of a desire to be contentious. You are well aware of my capacities to be contentious. I’m not in that mode at the moment.

HUGS AND LOVE,
Da Ai Xin

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What Saith the Scripture?
http://www.WhatSaithTheScripture.com/

Must There Be a Pre-Tribulational Rapture?
Or, Taking Away the Restraining Influence

“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way”
(2 Thessalonians 2:7).

by Tom Stewart
9-9-98
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Preface

Wild gyrations of the stock market, instability of the Russian ruble, meltdown of the Asian markets, possible Brazilian bank failure, scandal in the White House, North Korea test fires a missile over Japan, terrorists threaten America with weapons of mass destruction– these are only a few of the events to remind us that we are soon to enter the Tribulation Week spoken of by the LORD Jesus Christ in His Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24).

All of this is occurring while bureaucrats of all levels of government, university political scientists and economists, business advisors and analysts, etc. blanket us with assurances that the fundamentals are sound for a strong economy. They say that interest rates are low– and may go lower, unemployment is down, gasoline is cheap and available for our vehicles– why shouldn’t we expect things to get better? “They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of My people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace” (Jeremiah 6:14).

Those who read the prophetic Scriptures are increasingly persuaded that the “time is at hand” (Revelation 1:3; 22:10). We can progressively see more and more of what God sees, that sin is ever more prevalent. “And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” (Genesis 6:5). Daniel’s 70th Week is ready to begin (Daniel 9:24-27). Israel has not only been back in the land as a modern nation since May 14,1948, but it has recaptured Jerusalem and its Temple Mount since June 7,1967.

The LORD Jesus said, “This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled” (Matthew 24:34). With the Terminal Generation already living and breathing– as of June 7,1967, a window of opportunity for God’s people to be Raptured Home into the presence of the LORD Jesus, must be open. [See the "Terminal Generation" and "How Long Is a Generation?" sections of our article, "1998: Year of the Apocalypse (Part 3)" (written when I anticipated a May 31st 1998 Rapture) for how I have established a framework for the timing of the Tribulation Week.]

[DaAiXin comment: The author notes that all such speciulations about dates are human guesstimates and he acknowledges that Scripture indicates we will not know the day nor hour. However, I still think he bothers too much about such date speculations. And, there are other aspects of his materials that I still ponder rather skeptically or at lease wary-ly. NEVRTHELESS, he has arrived at some conclusions which fit my own feelings and wonderings for decades--as no one else I've ever read or talked to as. So I certainly am happy to encourage others to prayerfully ponder such ideas, perspectives, opinions, guesses.] 

 To the Philadelphian Church, the LORD Jesus says, “I have set before thee an Open Door [i.e., the Pre-Tribulational Rapture], and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My Word, and hast not denied My Name” (Revelation 3:8). But, all of this talk of Tribulation is just the opposite of what the world would have us believe. God’s Word assures us that we are not mistaken. “Evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived” (2Timothy 3:13).
2 Thessalonians Chapter 2:
The Restraining Influence Is Taken Away

Verse 1. “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our LORD Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him” (2Thessalonians 2:1). The certainty is that when the LORD Jesus Christ comes the Second Time, He will gather His people together, both living and dead. Differences arise concerning the timing of this gathering, i.e., Pre-Tribulational, Mid-Tribulational, Pre-Wrath, Post-Tribulational, etc.

Some– like myself– are willing to see more than one Rapture event– but, when He comes He will gather His people. [See our articles, "The Seventh Trumpet and the Second Rapture" (written when I was only aware of a Pre-Tribulational and a Pre-Wrath Rapture), "The Middle Rapture" (interesting and important prophetic dream of a Pre-Mid-Tribulational Rapture), and "The American Rapture" (explains the basis of a world-wide Rapture-- distinct from the Pre-Tribulational Rapture-- occurring prior to the beginning of the Tribulation Week at the destruction of America), for further contemplation.]

[Da Ai Xin: I'm still chewing on the bulk of his assertions about such things. However, for many decades, I've been pondering the possibility of more than one rapture--pretty convinced that such was going to turn out to be the reality. And, I'd come to the conclusion that at least some folks were likely to be CHANGED into their immortal bodies yet remain on this earthly plain for a time--probably to do great exploits in behalf of The Kingdom in the END TIMES IN THEIR IMMORTAL BODIES--with great power. He's the first one I've come across to think similar thoughts. ] 

Verse 2. “That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand” (2Thessalonians 2:2). Evidently, someone had written to the Thessalonians to give them an understanding different from what Paul had previously taught them. This had “shaken” and “troubled” them.

The expression “day of Christ” is also correctly translated “day of the LORD”. This, I believe, refers to the final 1,000 year period– where 7,000 years equals 7 days. “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the LORD as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” (2Peter 3:8). The Day of the LORD would commence “immediately after the tribulation of those days” (Matthew 24:29). In other words, the Day of the LORD refers specifically to the Second Coming of the LORD Jesus Christ after the completion of the 70th Week of Daniel.

Verse 3. “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition” (2Thessalonians 2:3). What must precede the Second Coming of the LORD Jesus, where everyone sees Him, i.e., “Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him” (Revelation 1:7)? Two things must occur:

(1) the apostasy or “falling away” and

(2) the revelation of Antichrist, the “man of sin… the son of perdition”.

Apostasy– literally, to stand away from (a formerly held position)– is generally attributed to those who have never been saved, while I believe that it may refer to those who have been truly converted, as well. Even Paul taught the possibility of being a “castaway” (literally, disapproved). “But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway” (1Corinthians 9:27). I limit this thought of being an apostate, backslider, or “castaway”– for those who have truly been converted– to the point that the backslider will not die in his sin, i.e., the Holy Spirit will bring him to repentance before he actually dies. Thus, “Then said Jesus again unto them, I go My way, and ye shall seek Me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come” (John 8:21). This apostasy has already begun.

The revelation of Antichrist will be accomplished by the “abomination of desolation” (Matthew 24:15), which was prophesied by Daniel and confirmed by the LORD Jesus Christ. “And he [Antichrist] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [the 70th Week of Daniel]: and in the midst of the week [3 1/2 years or 1,260 days into the Tribulation Week] he [Antichrist] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate” (Daniel 9:27).

Verse 4. “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God” (2Thessalonians 2:4). This is an accurate description of the Abomination of Desolation. Antichrist is only a man. This is part of the significance of 666. “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six” (Revelation 13:18). Since 6 is the number of man, i.e. man was created on the sixth day (Genesis 1:26-27), 666 is paramount to saying that Antichrist is only a man, man, man– and certainly not God.

Blasphemy is speaking evil against God, which is the same as shaking your fist in the face of God. Jesus said, “All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men” (Matthew 12:31). Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven because it is resisting the very One who would give “repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth” (2Timothy 2:25); thus, making blasphemy against the Holy Spirit impossible to forgive.

Antichrist blasphemes the Holy Spirit. “And they worshipped the dragon [Satan] which gave power unto the beast [the Antichrist]: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven” (Revelation 13:4-6). This seals Antichrist’s doom. “And the beast [the Antichrist] was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone” (Revelation 19:20).

Verse 5. “Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?” (2Thessalonians 2:5). The Apostle Paul reminds the Thessalonians that this Second Epistle is covering good, but old ground. This reminds us that much of prophetic teaching involves creative repetitions of the same message, i.e., “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little” (Isaiah 28:10).

Verse 6. “And now ye know What withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time” (2Thessalonians 2:6). Or, “you know What restrains him [the Antichrist] now, so that he [the Antichrist] may be revealed in his time”. Though he may even be amiable, intelligent, as well as powerful; Antichrist is as his “father the devil” (John 8:44)– a murderer and a liar.

Satan will be shown to the world to be the impostor that he is. “Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms” (Isaiah 14:15-16).

Likewise, Antichrist and the False Prophet will be shown by the LORD Jesus to be only wicked and abominable men, when they are cast into the Lake of Fire at Jesus’ Second Coming. “And the beast [Antichrist] was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone” (Revelation 19:20).

Verse 7. “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only He who now letteth will let, until He be taken out of the way” (2Thessalonians 2:7). The Mystery of Iniquity is already at work. “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places” (Ephesians 6:12). Though “we are not ignorant of his [Satan's] devices” (2Corinthians 2:11), we attempt to maintain our holy walk by avoiding the knowledge of wickedness to the degree that it is not our necessity to know the “depths of Satan” (Revelation 2:24)– even to defeat him. This “Need Not to Know Basis” for the knowledge of wickedness is Christian simplicity or innocence. “I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil” (Romans 16:19).

“Only He who now letteth will let, until He be taken out of the way” (2Thessalonians 2:7) is another way of saying, “Only He (the Holy Spirit) Who now restrains will continue to restrain, until He (the Holy Spirit) be taken out of the way (at the Pre-Tribulational Rapture).” I believe that this verse is pivotal to this passage, and that it explains the LORD’s purpose and necessity for a Pre-Tribulational Rapture.

“Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of Heaven. Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the Name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are His: And He changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: He revealeth the deep and secret things: He knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with Him. I thank Thee, and praise Thee, O Thou God of my fathers, Who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of Thee: for Thou hast now made known unto us the king’s matter” (Daniel 2:19-23).

A Christian is one who is indwelt by the Spirit of God. “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His” (Romans 8:9). We are warned not to quench the Holy Spirit. “Quench not [literally, extinguish not] the Spirit” (1Thessalonians 5:19). To extinguish the influence of the Holy Spirit in our lives most certainly is to grieve Him. “And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of Redemption” (Ephesians 4:30).

When we grieve the Holy Spirit, we lose His testimony that we are His, i.e., that we are “none of His” (Romans 8:9). Though a truly converted Believer may lose this testimony of sonship, his final perseverance is assured. “And I give unto them Eternal Life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand” (John 10:28). However, if one never finally repents, he was never truly converted. “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye [truly] believe not [as demonstrated by your life] that I am He, ye shall die in your sins” (John 8:24).

Only a deceived man will point to a past “conversion experience” while abiding in known sin. “Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him” (1John 3:6). It is only the Spirit of Christ working in us that keeps us walking without sinning, i.e., “For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure” (Philippians 2:13). This alone is the Spirit-filled Believer’s claim to worthiness to the LORD, i.e., “Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God” (2Corinthians 3:5).

Suffice it to say that, only those who abide in Christ are walking in obedience, i.e., “If ye keep My Commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father’s Commandments, and abide in His love” (John 15:10). Only those who are walking in obedience are walking in the Spirit. “And we are His witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, Whom God hath given to them that obey Him” (Acts 5:32).

Consequently, one of the primary sources of the Holy Spirit’s influence upon the people of this world is the “salt” and “light” of the Believer’s testimony and presence. “Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid” (Matthew 5:13-14).

If the Father were to remove His people from this planet, He would be removing the primary means of His Spirit’s influence upon this world. This is exactly what is intended by the Apostle Paul’s statement to the Thessalonians, “until He [the Holy Spirit] be taken out of the way” (2Thessalonians 2:7). This is the Pre-Tribulational Rapture.

This is the method of the “Only Wise God Our Saviour” (Jude 25) in bringing about the “judgment of this world” (John 12:31) and the salvation and sanctification of the elect, i.e., specifically, those that remained because they were not ready. “For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand” (2Timothy 4:6). Jesus has never altered His purpose to draw all men to Himself– even in the design of the Pre-Tribulational Rapture. “And I [Jesus Christ], if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me” (John 12:32).

The LORD Jesus called Enoch Home to Heaven– a type of Pre-Tribulational Rapture– because Enoch had the testimony of faith in God. “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a Rewarder of them that diligently seek Him” (Hebrews 11:5-6).
How would the Saints’ departure from this world at the Pre-Tribulational Rapture serve the LORD’s purpose in the judgment of this world?

First, God loves to deliver His people from the jaws of the wicked one– not confusing His people with the ungodly in His judgments, i.e., “That be far from Thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from Thee: Shall not the Judge of All the Earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).

Also, Paul’s testimony to God’s faithfulness in early New Testament times is consistent with Abraham’s understanding. “I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. And the LORD shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto His Heavenly Kingdom: to Whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen” (2Timothy 4:17-18).

Second, the Backslidden Church will understand that they could have been ready, and should have been ready. This will work toward their repentance. “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the Gospel of God?” (1Peter 4:17).

The martyrdom of many of these who have thus judged their own sins, i.e., “For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged” (1Corinthians 11:31)– because escape was not an option– will announce to the world that the LORD Jesus Christ is the alternative to the Antichrist.

Third, others will see the testimony of the Godly as well as the manifold judgments of God– Seal Judgments, Trumpet Judgments, Seven Thunders, Fire from the Two Witnesses, Vial Judgments, etc. — and repent of their wickedness. [See our articles, "Tribulation Timeline (Part 1), (Part 2), (Part 3), and (Part 4)" to see a discussion of these Judgments.]

Some must have repented, even toward the End of the Tribulation Week, or else it could not be said to Babylon the Great– the final form of the worldwide economic and material Babylon, which the United States’ destruction will be only representative of the future destruction of this greater Babylon– “Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues” (Revelation 18:4).

Fourth, those who will never repent, will be hardened by the judgment of the removal of God’s people at the Pre-Tribulational Rapture. “Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh’s heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said” (Exodus 8:19).

This hardening process is necessary for the LORD to bring about the appropriate time to harvest the wicked. “Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares [the wicked], and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat [the nation born in a day at the Second Coming-- Isaiah 66:8] into My barn” (Matthew 13:30).

Also, the LORD will wait for the wisest time for the fullness of the world’s iniquity, to harvest them. “But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full” (Genesis 15:16). In the meantime, He sovereignly directs the completion of man’s wickedness, i.e., “Surely the wrath of man shall praise Thee: the remainder of wrath shalt Thou restrain” (Psalm 76:10). Thus, the LORD Jesus could direct the ungodly: “Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers” (Matthew 23:32).

Finally, the LORD, Who is the Judge of All the Earth (Genesis 18:25), is “known by the judgment which He executeth” (Psalm 9:16). And, the Pre-Tribulational Rapture is definitely a judgment upon all those who were not taken, because God has sovereignly  removed the presence of His Spirit through the removal of His people from the world; thus, He opens the floodgates to allow Satan, the “god of this world” (2Corinthians 4:4), to have greater sway over those who are thus imprisoned in this world. The resulting horror of darkness that Satan will bring upon the world will pale only in comparison to Jehovah’s awesome judgments. “Who is like unto Thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like Thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?” (Exodus 15:11).

Verse 8. “And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the LORD shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Who is “that Wicked” that is “revealed” and “whom the LORD shall consume” at “His coming”? This refers to the Antichrist, who will be consumed and destroyed by the LORD Jesus at His Second Coming.

“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written, that no man knew, but He Himself. And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast [the Antichrist], and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him that sat on the horse, and against His army.

And the beast [the Antichrist] was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of His mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh” (Revelation 19:11-21).

Verse 9. “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders” (2Thessalonians 2:9). Notice again that the “him” of verse 9 cannot refer to Satan, who is referred to in the latter portion of the verse. “Him” obviously refers to Antichrist. A mistake often made by inexperienced Christians is to attempt to stand up to Satan without the armour of God.

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil” (Ephesians 6:11). Thoughtlessly, the “accuser of our brethren” (Revelation 12:10) is often opposed with brashness instead of meekness. “Yet Michael the Archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The LORD rebuke thee” (Jude 9). Resist the devil in faith “by the Word of God” (Romans 10:17). “Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world” (1Peter 5:9).

“Power and signs and lying wonders” (2Thessalonians 2:9) are available to Satan to deceive the world. Even the scientific minds of today will be no match for Satan. He will easily demonstrate the shortcomings of the scientific method in fathoming the power of the supernatural.

Witness the world’s reaction to the power of the False Prophet. “And he [the second beast out of the earth, or the False Prophet] exerciseth all the power of the first beast [the Antichrist] before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he [the False Prophet] doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast [Antichrist]; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast [abomination of desolation], which had the wound by a sword, and did live

[Antichrist's miraculous recovery from a deadly wound]. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed [i.e., Mark of the Beast]” (Revelation 13:12-15).

Verse 10. “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, that they might be saved” (2Thessalonians 2:10). Have you ever come across an acquaintance that would hardly let you get the words out of your mouth to make a reasonable point about the LORD? Only if you were to agree with something they said would they recognize that you said something?

“But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy” (James 3:17). Those that “perish” employ the deceptive tools of unrighteousness. Why? Because “they received not the love of the Truth”. If they would not turn to the One Who is the Truth (John 14:6), then they will not “be saved” (2Thessalonians 2:10).

Verse 11. “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie” (2Thessalonians 2:11). Antichrist is a deceiver. “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist” (2John 7). However, if the Ancient of Days sees fit to bring “strong delusion” upon those whom He deems necessary to judge, not even Antichrist’s lies are a match for the “strong delusion” that Jehovah directs at the “damned” (2Thessalonians 2:12).

Verse 12. “That they all might be damned who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness” (2Thessalonians 2:12). Judgment is the theme for those left behind by the Pre-Tribulational Rapture. Certainly the Backslidden and the Elect-But-Not-Yet-Saved will eventually repent, but they must do it– repent! “Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds” (Revelation 2:22).

The following is the Scriptural test to demonstrate whether or not one has truly repented, and thus can be assured of acceptance with God. “And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His Commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His Commandments, is a liar, and the Truth is not in Him” (1John 2:3-4). All knowledge of your spiritual condition must be based firmly and solely upon the testimony of the Holy Spirit through the Scriptures. “And he that keepeth His Commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us” (1 John 3:24).

Conclusion

Though the word “Rapture” does not occur in the Scriptures, it is the appropriate word and concept for both the event and the Promise of Pre-Tribulational Deliverance. The preceding has been an attempt to show the purpose and necessity of the Pre-Tribulational Rapture– to remove the Restraining Influence (2Thessalonians 2:7) for the purpose and necessity of the judgment of the world.

I have made no attempt to demonstrate the necessity of the 70th Week of Daniel to restore the Nation of Israel back into her promised position of Divine favor. “Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children” (Isaiah 66:8).

This restoration of Israel at the Second Coming of the LORD Jesus Christ will be set in motion by the events that follow the Pre-Tribulational Rapture.

It is important not to underestimate the value of the departure of even a relatively small group of Saints at the Pre-Tribulational Rapture, i.e., not to despise “the day of small things” (Zechariah 4:10). The Pre-Tribulational Rapture will be instrumental in setting off a chain reaction of events for our LORD to “judge the world in righteousness” (Psalm 9:8).

The Raptured Saints may not be missed by their worldly neighbors simply because those neighbors may not realize how much they have been benefited by the presence of the Godly– as well as their benefit from their relationship and dealings with them.

“And Laban said unto him [Jacob], I pray thee, if I have found favour in thine eyes, tarry: for I have learned by experience that the LORD hath blessed me for thy sake” (Genesis 30:27). As insignificant as you may feel yourself to be, if you leave at the Pre-Tribulational Rapture, then your small pebble will help to set off a landslide that will be felt at the Second Coming of the LORD Jesus Christ. “Whosoever shall fall upon that stone [Jesus Christ] shall be broken [saved]; but on whomsoever it shall fall [the Second Coming], it will grind him [judge him] to powder [in the Lake of Fire]” (Luke 20:18).

I am sure that many have their favorite Rapture Promise. Some may especially enjoy the Promise of the LORD Jesus to the Philadelphian Church. “Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the Hour of Temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth” (Revelation 3:10).

Others may take especial delight in the LORD’s provision for deliverance from the temptations of the Tribulation Week. “The LORD knoweth how to deliver the Godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished” (2Peter 2:9).

Others may enjoy the Promise of being taken in the Pre-Tribulational Rapture with their loved ones. “Ye are called in one body” (Colossians 3:15).

Still, others may enjoy the Promise of leaving while things are still under control– at least for them. “For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight: for the LORD will go before you; and the God of Israel will be your rereward [literally, rear guard]” (Isaiah 52:12).

My favorite Pre-Tribulational Rapture Promise is Luke 21:36. “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” If we “watch” and “pray”, then we shall be “worthy to escape”. I like the part of the Promise that says that we can “escape all these things that shall come to pass”. If we are to “escape all these things”, then we will need to be Pre-Tribulationally Raptured.

Remember, Promises have to be claimed by faith. “According to your faith be it unto you” (Matthew 9:29). And, these Promises will sanctify us as well! “Whereby are given unto us Exceeding Great and Precious Promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust” (2Peter 1:4). [See our article, "Exceeding Great and Precious Promises", to see how our God has designed to make us like Himself.]

May we “be accounted worthy to escape” in the Pre-Tribulational Rapture! [See our article, "He Will Subdue Our Iniquities" for encouragement about how we can "be accounted worthy".]

Maranatha!

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The American Rapture

Or, How God Will Deliver Christians Worldwide When America Is Destroyed

“God is no respecter of persons”
(Acts 10:34).

by Tom Stewart
7-9-98
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Preface

Why call a prophetic event with a nationalistic title? Because the shoe fits. Since the destruction of the United States of America is the backdrop for this particular event, the phrase “American Rapture” is only a convenience for identification. To be identified as Babylon the Great (Revelation 18) is no more of an honor for America, than to identify a Rapture event with the destruction of this nation. “For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise” (2 Corinthians 10:12).
Which Rapture?

Much of the controversy in modern Christian prophecy hinges on the timing of the Rapture, i.e., Pre-Tribulational, Mid-Tribulational, Post-Tribulational, Pre-Wrath, etc. “Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). It would be as monumental for all these prophetic positions to come to agreement and consensus as it would be for Calvinism (sovereignty of God) to see eye to eye with Arminianism (free agency of man). Charles H. Spurgeon once noted that the debate between Calvinism and Arminianism was like each was looking out of one eye and not the other. He recommended that we open both eyes to see clearly! “And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you” (12:21).

I believe that there will be more than one Rapture event– multiple fulfillments of the same idea, i.e., specifically, the Pre-Tribulational Rapture, American Rapture, Pre-Mid-Tribulational Transformation Rapture, and Pre-Wrath Rapture. The “consummation” (Daniel 9:27) of the age will demonstrate that the High and Lofty One That Inhabiteth Eternity (Isaiah 57:15) is in control of the program of the ages. The God of Love and Peace (2 Corinthians 13:11) not only manifests His love (John 14:21) to His lovingly obedient children through the Rapture, but the LORD of the Harvest (Luke 10:2) allows His children a “way to escape” (1 Corinthians 10:13) from the tribulations of Daniel’s 70th Week, while progressively harvesting His crops. “Whose fan is in His hand, and He will throughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12).

The Pre-Tribulational Rapture must occur before the Beginning of the Tribulation Week, to fulfill the promise of escaping “ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man” (Luke 21:36). The Pre-Wrath Rapture differs from a Post-Tribulational Rapture by only 8-9 days, but thereby misses the “vials of the wrath of God” (Revelation 16:1). The Resurrection of the Just occurs at the Pre-Wrath Rapture, rather than the Pre-Tribulational Rapture, i.e., “For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). Also, the Pre-Wrath Rapture comes at the sounding of the Last Trump (1 Corinthians 15:52), which is also the 7th Trumpet Judgment, when the “mystery” (Ephesians 5:32) of the Church “should be finished” (Revelation 10:7). [See an article I wrote when I was only aware of two Rapture events, "The Seventh Trumpet and the Second Rapture", for an explanation of the Pre-Wrath Rapture concept. It is accurate, as far as it went.]

“A Prophetic Dream of Rapture” (February 15,1993) by Armin A. Wolff explains what I believe is a Pre-Mid-Tribulational Transformation Rapture. The setting for the dream is right before the Mark of the Beast at the Middle of the Tribulation. “And he [Antichrist] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [the 70th Week, which equals 7 years]: and in the midst of the week [1,260 days into the Tribulation] he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate” (Daniel 9:27). This prophetic dream points out that our Deliverer (Psalm 70:5) will look out for the Tribulation Saints as well as the Pre-Tribulation Saints. [See our article, "The Middle Rapture", to see how God has much more than a Pre-Tribulational Rapture in His plans.]
What Do You Mean By the American Rapture?

Dumitru Duduman was a Romanian born Christian who ministered as a modern prophet to the United States of America. Judgment and not Rapture was this prophet’s message, i.e., “America will burn”. His prophecies point to what appears to be a 1998 nuclear destruction of America. Although, Duduman does not address the Rapture question specifically, he does make special mention of the deliverance of Christians at the time of America’s destruction. “The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished” (2 Peter 2:9).

The Pre-Tribulational Rapture precedes the American Rapture– both before the Beginning of the Tribulation Week. The Pre-Mid-Tribulational Transformation Rapture occurs in the middle of the Tribulation Week, while the Pre-Wrath Rapture occurs 8-9 days before the End of the Tribulation Week. “But every man in his own order: Christ the Firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at His coming” (1 Corinthians 15:23). To think that we have uncovered all of God’s program for the Tribulation Week is ludicrous. We know that He told the Apostle John not to record what the “seven thunders uttered” (Revelation 10:3), i.e., God still has sealed war plans for the Tribulation Week. Hallelujah!
God Loves Even the American Christians

Sadly, the reason that brother Duduman’s prophecies speak of Christians being delivered at the time of America’s nuclear holocaust, is: (1) Those particular American Christians were in a sinfully unprepared condition, i.e., “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46), (2) Those Christians missed the Pre-Tribulational Rapture, i.e., “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord” (Hebrews 12:14), (3) They subsequently repented, i.e., “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in Thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called Thy son” (Luke 15:21), and (4) Those penitent Christians would then be qualified to experience every blessing of deliverance available to every Saint at any time, i.e., “If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up” (Daniel 3:17-18). But, specifically, this would be the occasion for the American Rapture. Since America’s destruction will be rapidly followed by warfare in Europe, Christians across the world will be in need of deliverance at this time. Hence, the American Rapture is the deliverance of Christians worldwide– as in the Pre-Tribulational Rapture– on the occasion of America’s nuclear annihilation. [See the article, "Understanding of the Times", to get an idea of the events following the Pre-Tribulational Rapture. It was written before I began to understand Duduman's deliverance as the American Rapture, and when I thought that Pentecost May 31st 1998 was the exact time of the Pre-Tribulational Rapture. Everything holds true, otherwise.]

Michael, the Angel of the LORD, told Dumitru Duduman (“America Will Burn”)– http://whatsaiththescripture.com/Prophets/Prophecy.Duduman.America.html#AMERICA WILL BURN– “They [a total of 8 nations including Russia and China] will bomb the nuclear warehouses [of America]. When they explode, America will burn! ‘What will you do with the Church of the Lord? How will you save the ones that will turn toward you?’ I [Duduman] asked. He [the angel Michael] said, ‘Tell them this: how I saved the three young ones from the furnace of fire, and how I saved Daniel in the lion’s den, is the same way I will save them.’” God knows how to deliver even those who were not ready for the Pre-Tribulational Rapture– after they have newly repented. “The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished” (2 Peter 2:9). After their deliverance, those future penitent Christians will be able to say with the Apostle Paul: “I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto His heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen” (2 Timothy 4:17-18).
Conclusion

If the LORD Jesus throws a life preserver to you labeled “American Rapture”, would you reject it as embarrassing, nationalistic, or poor theology? Or, would you lunge for it, as a sinking man? God’s way is outlined in His Word, i.e., “And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left” (Isaiah 30:21). All we can do is beg the LORD to quicken us by His Spirit, that we may see and understand His Word about the coming days. “Open Thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of Thy Law” (Psalm 119:18). All we can do with our understanding is to act according to the best light that we have. “O send out Thy Light and Thy Truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto Thy Holy Hill, and to Thy Tabernacles” (43:3).

If the LORD were to provide a multitude of Raptures, who are we to object? “And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand, or say unto him, What doest Thou?” (Daniel 4:35). What we can all agree upon is that God’s people will need His deliverance in the coming days. May all His people seek and find that deliverance. “I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto His heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen” (2 Timothy 4:17-18).

UFO ASPECTS OF FATIMA–A Pentecostal Prof’s Views

March 21, 2008 by daaixin

UFO ASPECTS OF FATIMA—A PENTECOSTAL PROF’s PERSPECTIVE

[Note, I have tried to review and critique other materials in a strictly fair-use educational way. If there’s any disagreement about that—please let me know and I’ll be happy to remove whatever is seen as fitting to remove]

I have read many pages related to Fatima over the decades. The last months, I’ve been reading many more pages discussing the clear UFO aspects of the Fatima apparitions of 1917.

I’m firmly convinced, now, that in typical UFO/ET/’controllers’ fashion, the whole of the Fatima events were engineered, designed, structured and carried out as a religious/social manipulation by the ‘powers of the air’ . . . later supported, refined, manipulated by the Jesuits. I’ll first offer this brief commentary and post the links and significant excerpts below in succeeding posts.

Key points that speak conclusively and convincingly of a UFO/ET staged event:

1. The craft

A) typical UFO shape
B) typical UFO light effects
C) typical UFO behaviors
D) typical UFO colors

2. The message Typical UFO RELIGION related messages of

A) Peace—do what we say and have peace
B) resist what we say; fail to do what we say and have utter destruction.

3. Dramatic aerial demonstrations quite dazzling, impressive, “supernatural.” I’m reminded of the Biblical mention of “angels of light preaching a different ‘gospel.’ ”

4. The being–It is difficult to ferret out authentic descriptions of the “Lady” given the Jesuits control of the experiencers and the phenomena. However, evidently the short being had black eyes and other features quite typical for “ET’s” of later years.

Nevertheless, it is also possible—even quite probable that the “powers of the air” were very technologically if not demonically capable of presenting a being in such a context which would predictably feed the Roman Catholic sensibilities and expectations regarding “Mary.” My own sense is that the greatest probability is that the figure present in the phenomena was made to appear female, beautiful, of unassuming size, of slight build etc.

Certainly we know that ET critters can appear as almost anything in the minds of the viewers. It’s not clear whether this is technologically achieved or achieved through some dark spiritual forces and dynamics. Perhaps it is both.

What might the objective of ET forces be for staging such a hoax?

1. Enhancing the Mary iconography and mythology of the vast and powerful RC edifice. That could garner over a billion people to their cause fairly easily.

2. Essentially further turning that mythology to globalist, satanic goals.

3. Taking more overt control of that mythology in behalf of globalist goals.

4. Setting the stage for using Mary and the whole mythology carefully built up around her toward influencing vast numbers of people to compliantly, submissively join the ONE WORLD RELIGION of the END TIMES and support the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT—in behalf of saving the planet from utter destruction, for example.

As I’ve read more of this sort of documentation, I’ve also read many other Mary types of apparitions of the last 100 years. In virtually EVERY CASE, the message of the apparition has been virtually identical to standard ET messages to abductees but with a slight to significant tweaking in a RELIGIOUS DIRECTION—particularly an RC edifice standard mythology RELIGIOUS direction.

I don’t consider that coincidental in the least.

Many ET exhortations are about the environment.

However, when religion is a significant part of the presentation, then the content is essentially the same as that of the Marian apparitions.

1. Believe us and do what we say and you may live long and prosper. In the classic sentence: BELIEVE US AND LIVE LONG AND PROSPER.

2. Don’t, and you won’t. Disobey us, fail to do what we say; ignore what we say—and suffer—perhaps have the whole planet destroyed. Of course, with the Marian variety—things are worded quite in keeping with the Marian mythology, terminology, standard behaviors and standard expectations of the Marian group etc.

But the “angels of light” involved are essentially THE SAME. The lofty ‘aura’ and demonstrations—light shows—are essentially the same—the same as those involved in many ‘ET visitations’ had by many New Age Eastern Mysticism folks.

In short, I believe that God has brought the historical documents and their publication to light at this time because we are very close to the breaking out into the open of the whole UFO END TIMES DECEPTION—evidently the GREAT DECEPTION that the Bible speaks of for the END TIMES.

It is Jesus Christ and HIS TRUTH and PERSON who sets us Free—not deception, myth, ritual, idolatry.

The “ET’s,” fallen angels/ watchers/ nephilium et al would have us believe that THEY as “enlightened space brothers” from some far off star system created mankind as well as ALL the great religious figures of the past—for social control and social engineering purposes.

They have also evidently convinced the globalist puppet masters that ALMIGHTY GOD [Whom they construe as merely a heavy-weight one of them] will be defeated by satan and his ET forces at Armageddon.

The battle lines are increasingly being drawn more and more clearly. CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE. Choose this day—Eternal Life—or death.

I don’t write this with any particular animosity towards any authentic Christians in the RC camp at all. I write it concerned for all Believers everywhere and for all humans everywhere—so easily deceived in this era of mass communications—massively deceptive communications.

TRULY we MUST know God intimately; KNOW HIS WORD INTIMATELY and know His Still small Voice well and obediently.

May God confirm to all who truly seek THE TRUTH—GOD’S TRUTH on this and all other matters. Prayerfully yours, DaAiXin

INITIAL REFS:

FATIMA WAS A STANDARD UFO TYPE OP

FATIMA UFO CONNECTION

Excerpt just below is from the book:

Heavenly Lights: The Apparitions of Fatima and the UFO Phenomenon (Paperback)

BOOK LINK AT AMAZON:

http://www.amazon.com/Heavenly-Lights-Apparitions-Fatima-Phenomenon/dp/0973534133

Added commentary/excerpts from the book from:

http://le-cercle-ufologues.xooit.fr/t620-Fatima-events.htm

A meticulous synthesis of history, science, and anthropology, Heavenly Lights establishes that the Fátima Incident of 1917 involved not “Marian apparitions” – as is conventionally believed – but rather, a series of close encounters with alien beings.

The first history of Fátima to be written by Portuguese historians based on the original documents, Heavenly Lights subjects all of the pertinent facts of the Fátima case to a sweeping evidentiary analysis that is at once thorough and fascinating.

In periodic passages describing “Parallels in Ufology,” the authors identify many relevant connections between the enigmatic events that took place at Fátima and numerous other episodes in the strange and storied annals of UFO history.

When it was first published in Portugal in 1995, entitled As Aparições de Fátima e o Fenómeno OVNI, the Jornal de Notícias heralded this work as “a literary success without precedent in the field of Portuguese ufological studies.”

This new translation offers a powerful and convincing argument for mainstream ufologists and religious researchers alike to re-examine the actual evidence that at last explains the enduring mystery of the Fátima Incident.

Topics discussed in Heavenly Lights include how…

- the Fátima Incident of 1917 was a close encounter of the third kind

- the Fátima apparitions involved a series of contacts with alien beings

- Our Lady of Fátima was not the Virgin Mary but an extraterrestrial

- Sister Lucia revealed information relevant to the UFO phenomenon

- the three children of Fátima became pawns of the UFO cover-up

- the Miracle of the Sun was caused by an unidentified flying object

- Ufology must address religious and visionary experiences like Fátima

- The Fátima case involved altered states of consciousness, holograms, microwave radiation, out-of-body experiences, and telepathic communication

- Marian apparitions relate to unexplained aerial phenomena, including alien abduction, ‘angel hair’, foo-fighters, flying saucers, and UFO secrecy

- popular clamor about the Fátima secrets, inspired by Pope John Paul II, obscures the fact that Fátima was the first major UFO case of the 20th century

Editorial review from the last link just above:

Editorial Reviews

Book Description

Did the Jesuits conceal evidence of alien contact at Fátima? The Fátima incident was the most exceptional religious event of the 20th century. In 1917, three Portuguese children encountered a radiant woman, who told them three secrets about the fate of the Earth. During “The Miracle of the Sun,” the solar orb was seen to dance in the sky by thousands of awestruck onlookers who flocked to Fátima.

The apparitions were presumed [PRESUMED] to be a case of divine intervention in human affairs, a sign from Heaven that the world war then raging in Europe would soon come to an end. A shrine sprang up at Fátima that drew millions of believers, and a myth grew that the Fátima prophecies would one day be fulfilled as a testament of faith in a secular age.

In 1978, Portuguese historians Joaquim Fernandes and Fina d’Armada were given unprecedented access to the original records of the Fátima incident, which had been held secretly by the Church in archives located at the Sanctuary of Fátima since 1917.

In Heavenly Lights – a work hailed by the Fortean Times (UK) as “priceless” – Fernandes and d’Armada explored the many intriguing linkages they discovered in the secret archives between the apparitions of Fátima and the worldwide UFO phenomenon. Here, for the first time, they tell the esoteric history of the “cover story” concocted by the Church in 1941, which has both shaped our modern view of the Fátima incident and obscured its true significance as the first major close encounter case of the 20th century.

At the heart of the matter, they reveal, lies a conspiracy by the Jesuits to suppress the fact that the entities encountered by the children at Fátima were not deities descending from Heaven but rather alien beings visiting our planet from “elsewhere” in the vast Cosmos. Illustrated (64 b/w photos, drawings, etc.)

Description of the third book:

FATIMA REVISITED: THE APPARITION PHENOMENON IN MYTH, RELIGION AND SCIENCE

From the last link above: The Fátima incident was an important event in the literature of extraordinary human experience. Believers and skeptics have long pondered the identity of Our Lady of Fátima, the brilliant lady who appeared above Cova da Iria in 1917.

Was she the Virgin Mary, sharing divine secrets to those who would believe? Was she an angel, bringing a message of peace to a world made weary by war? Or was she an alien, inspiring humanity to look up and contemplate the heavens?

Now, in Fátima Revisited, an international panel of distinguished academicians and Ufologists subjects the legendary apparitions of Fátima – so long regarded as a sacred religious event – to the scrutiny of modern scientific analysis.

Fátima Revisited explores the relationship between encounters with Marian apparitions, angels, and aliens, and proposes a new paradigm for such phenomena that goes beyond the traditional confines of religion, anthropology, and sociology.

The third volume in The Fátima Trilogy that includes the acclaimed Heavenly Lights and Celestial Secrets, this anthology is the result of a multidisciplinary study by the MARIAN Project — the Multicultural Apparitions Research International Academic Network — which is coordinated by Dr. Joaquim Fernandes at University Fernando Pessoa, in Porto, Portugal[/b].

Additional excerpts from Vallee via:
http://www.ufoseek.org/fatimajv.htm

“…Fatima was a modern event, yet it is already clouded with the distortions of ‘belief’. The Photographs of the object had ‘disappeared.’ The key prophecy has been suppressed. Lucia shut herself away from the world. As the years passed, the object was turned into a ‘dancing sun,’ the angel hair became ‘rose petals,’ and the entire phenomena was removed from the field of science and entrusted to the religionists…

“There have been many modern miracles of the Fatima type, but they rarely gain much attention outside of religious circles. The flying saucers get much more publicity than the miracles.

“Between the years 1937 and 1945, an entity who identified herself as the Queen of the Universe appeared more than 100 times to four young girls in the tiny hamlet of Heede, Germany. The girls, aged twelve through fourteen, were Anna Schulte, Greta and Maria Ganseforth, and Susan Bruns. These visions began in November, 1937 and continued throughout the war, with the Lady urging the world to ‘pray, pray much, especially for the conversion of sinners.’ Hitler was probably none too happy about all of this, especially since he openly considered himself to be Antichrist.

“…On Sunday, June 18, 1961, four young girls were playing marbles outside of the little village of Garabandal, Spain, when they suddenly saw an ‘angel.’ The girls, Mary Cruz Gonzales, eleven, Conchita Gonzales, twelve, Jacinta Gonzales, twelve, and Mary Loly Mazon, twelve (none of the Gonzales girls were directly related), said that he appeared to be about nine years old, was dressed in a long, seamless blue robe, had a small face with BLACK EYES, and ‘fine hands and short fingernails.’ For some reason, he gave the impression of being very strong. This figure was surrounded by a dazzling glow and faded into thin air without saying a word…

“Soon after these initial experiences, the girls began to go into trances (termed a state of ecstasy by religionists) during which they would see the Lady. Sometimes these trances would last for hours, and the girls would remain fixed in an awkward kneeling position and their heads thrown back and their eyes staring at the vision, totally oblivious to the hundreds of people swarming around them.

“The Lady was accompanied by two angels on this occasion. The ‘angels’ were dressed alike, ‘as if they were twins.’ The Lady had long, thin hands, a long angular face ‘with a fine nose.’ and lips which were ‘a bit thin.’ She seemed to be ‘rather tall’

Note:

Elsewhere in his book Keel states that many of the “Men In Black” or “People” in black reported in other incidents were beings of the above description – Branton). Her hair was a deep nut brown, parted in the center. This is, of course, an almost classic description of the ‘long finger’ UFO entities described by many contactees.

Even more startling, on the Lady’s right the girls could see ‘A SQUARE OF RED FIRE FRAMING A TRIANGLE WITH AN EYE AND SOME WRITING. THE LETTER WAS IN AN OLD ORIENTAL SCRIPT!’”

(Note: this also seems to correspond with the ancient “Eye of Horus” of Egypt, which according to Illuminists represented Sirius and was a major emblem within the Babylonian Mystery Religion. There have been alleged photographs of obelisks on the Moon of the exact shape and description as those found in St. Peter’s Square in Rome, in Egypt, and originally in Babylon. These four-sided, pyramidal-capped obelisks traditionally were the “alters” around which the ancient worshippers of Baal practiced their occult arts and were a combination of phallic and Sun symbols. Could such obelisks be a connecting factor between the ancient Babylonian-Egyptian “Mystery” society and exterran societies of a similar nature, such as perhaps the one alleged to exist in the Sirius system? – Branton).

“The angels in all these cases sound suspiciously like our celebrated ‘little men’ .

“…The many messages conveyed by the Lady have conformed precisely to Catholic dogma, using phrases and references which are significant to trained theologists but would be meaningless to children. The message of October 18, 1961, as dictated by the children, read: ‘We must make many sacrifices, do much penance. We must visit the Blessed Sacrament frequently… unless we do this, a punishment will befall us.’

“…On Friday, June 18, 1965, Conchita entered a trance and was purportedly given the following statements by the Lady:

“’As my message of the eighteenth of October has not been complied with, and as it has not been made known to the world, I am telling you that this is the last one. Previously, the cup was filling; now it is brimming over… You are now given the last warnings.’ (Take note of the remarkable different between the humble, patient and longsuffering Christ of the New Testament, and this boasting, impatient and wrathful “Whore” of Babylon that has appeared to so many children the world over. This is certainly not like the “Mary” of the New Testament and, in fact, it is not! – Branton).

“There is a wealth of evidence and testimony which leaves little doubt that these children of Garabandal were being possessed by some outside influence and were undergoing a supernormal experience…

“THE NATION OF THE THIRD EYE – There is no reason to think that the four children of Garabandal,” Keel continues, “had ever seen, or even knew about, the eye symbol on the Great Seal of the United States (ie. the seal of the Illuminati -Branton). Nor is it remotely possible that the children, or any of the elders of Garabandal, could have known of the importance that this symbol plays in the silent contactee situation. In fact, very few ufologists are aware of it.

“THOSE MYSTERIOUS ‘MEN IN BLACK’ WHO TRAVEL AROUND THE WORLD IN UNLICENSED CADILLACS HAVE REPORTEDLY BEEN SEEN WEARING LAPEL PINS BEARING THE SYMBOL. THEY HAVE ALSO IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES DIRECTLY AS BEING FROM ‘THE NATION OF THE THIRD EYE.’ SO WE CALL THE SYMBOL THE THIRD EYE.

It would be interesting to find out why some cultures regarded it as evil, while others used it to symbolize Deity.

“Why did the Third Eye appear beside the vision of Garabandal? Was it a symbol of identification? Or was it a warning?

“…Eight young girls on the island of Cabra in the Philippines began to suffer visions in the early part of the year (March, 1968), and the feminine voice of ‘the Virgin’ promised a miracle. During the last week of March about 3,000 persons poured onto the island and waited. Some, including a university professor, a prominent obstetrician, and an army major, reported seeing A CIRCULAR OBJECT over the island. It whirled and changed through all the colors of the spectrum, they said.

“Among the many correlations, you will note that the month of March and April have often played an important part in these events, just as March and April have always produced many of our principal UFO sightings. These religious manifestations are clearly a variation on the UFO manifestations (or vice versa). The same methods of communication are being employed in both phenomena, and the UFO entities bear a marked resemblance to the religious entities…”

A purported 1917 pic of the Fatima sun doesn’t show a lot but here’s the link:

http://www.tarxienparish.org/FatimaSun_13Oct1917.jpg

(Other pics can be linked to from that location):

http://www.tarxienparish.org/FatimaSun_13Oct1917.jpg

What is crucial here was going back to the original testimonies and stories. Lucia, the primary “seer” (”experiencer”?), later entered a convent, and her story became progressively more and more attuned to the Catholic paradigm, her writings made subject to approval by Church authorities. The authors have put less emphasis on these later “official” versions, and relied more on the first reports. Lucia originally never said it was the Virgin Mary she saw, it was the adults around her that jumped to that conclusion. Based on the time and culture they lived in, how else could they have interpreted it?

Original drawing:

http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/easynow32778/?action=view¤t=halo-grey-alien.jpg

What Did Jesus Bring Out In People? Best? Worst? Both?

March 17, 2008 by daaixin

This is from one of my close Christian Brothers at FR.

What Did Jesus Bring Out In People? Best? Worst? Both?
Quix | 16 MAR 2008 | Quix

Posted on 03/16/2008 9:54:30 PM MDT by Quix

WHAT DID JESUS BRING OUT IN PEOPLE?

This has been an interesting topic for me much of my life. I’ve pondered it long and hard.

But what are your opinions, perspectives, convictions, observations?

Some might think that on the face of it, it would be an easy question to answer.

Jesus–perfect Love, Wisdom, Gentleness, Kindness . . . must have always brought out the Best in people–in all He met. Sounds lauditory. Sounds kosher.

But what does the historical record indicate?

Was it the same for all people? All types of people? All personalities? People of all value orientations?

Were there some sorts of people that He tended to bring out the best in MORE than other types?

Did He bring out the worst in anyone?

Were there some He tended to bring out the worst in MORE than other types?

If so, what distinguished the different types of people and the best or worst that flowed out of them in interactions with Jesus?

What value differences were there?

What personality differences were there?

What goal differences were there?

What reference group differences were there?

What IN-GROUP/OUT-GROUP differences were there?

What power orientation differences were there?

Were there any contextual differences or where any differences all centered within the individual?

What percentage or what types of differences were intrinsic to the individual vs extrinsic?

We seem to have evolved in our current era a mentality that flooded in with the satanic value that “THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG” . . . that if a given individual is poor, criminal, evil, destructive–it MUST be society’s fault; someone else’s fault. The individual by definition can’t own ANY responsibility for their actions.

Yet, when we consider the historical record and Jesus on that score–such a notion simply won’t fly. Perfection cannot be responsible for evil. The evil was NOT in Christ. Was not in what Christ brought to the interaction.

What are the implications of that?

And what are the implications of the answers to the above questions for our relationships with fellow believers as well as with the heathen pagans we touch daily?

What’s reality? What’s fantasy? What’s bias? What’s truth in all the above?

Are we living in lala land out of an addiction to our comfort zones on such issues?

Do we slip and slide with the person in our mirror on such issues because we are loathe to really face ourselves?

Do we run from accountability to ourselves, to our Lord, to one another because we are wimps in such matters?

What are the implications in our relationships of these issues?